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Why is it absurd? I'm not following.


Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries, maybe

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/2...

I certainly wouldn't trust a startup with IDF/Mossad connections with my data.


Oh how quickly we've forgotten the Snowden Leaks.

They all spy on each other's citizens. When it's not possible to do it directly, they will use covert means a la NSA slurping up data via transit lines, etc.

It being an Israeli startup makes your data no less safe from spying eyes than doing business with a UK startup or any other allied nation.


> Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries

Everyone spies on everyone. Does Israel have a law like China's which mandates coöperation? It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary.


> It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary.

That may have been true ten or fifteen years ago, but is extremely not true today.


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> Is there evidence of this other than "Israel Bad"?

...yes?

From the content of your comment, it seems you're not not up to date on the development of Israel's internal government structure and balance of separation of powers, which has changed a lot over the last five years. But from the tone of your comment, it also sounds like you're going for a snarky dismissal rather than a good faith discussion, so I'm not sure talking about this further is going to do much good.


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> There was an attempt at "reform" that was crushed by their supreme court, because that's how their government works.

That's actually not the whole story, but regardless, judging by the tone of your responses here and your recent comment history, I don't think any discussion here on this topic is going to be fruitful.


This means we should use national solutions and services instead of someone's else.


"Everyone spies on everyone" isn't an argument in favor of using companies with known ties to the military or intelligence, though...


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Citation needed. Otherwise, it's a smear.

Again: 100 percent, you said.


I'm assuming the logic is 'Israel has mandatory conscription, so every citizen has IDF ties', which feels like a bit of a stretch even if it's technically true.


It's not a stretch at all - especially when Israelis love to brag about it, but when called out on it, they deny at all costs.

The mandatory military service, which you mentioned, where most israeli citizens serve in the IDF, will naturally lead to connections between tech and the military.

There is also technology transfer i.e military technologies may be adapted for civilian use by startups e.g. Cybersecurity, AI, that's why the israeli military funds even civilian startups especially when they are "Dual-use technologies" i.e. technologies that have both military and civilian applications

It's also common sense to not trust startups in a nation where genocidal[0] sentiment has prevailed.

So you can see many israeli "civilian" businesses[1][2] assist & whitewash the genocidal onslaught willingly & enthusiastically.

[0] https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-e...

[1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressin...

[2] https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel


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Yes, this is pretty much a conspiracy theory. There is little to add because you did not say anything substantial, but I also believe you cannot leave statements like these without a comment.


> Yes, this is pretty much a conspiracy theory.

Which part?

Unit 8200 as an incubator for tech startups is well-reported: https://www.calcalistech.com/tags/Unit_8200

The security complex intertwined with "hitech" and economy is well-tracked: https://www.calcalist.co.il/market/article/jh6p1lmcb

The intention of its most popular leaders to expand existing territories is well-studied: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537218


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> dissolution of Israel

I mostly read that as Paul calling for the head of tyrants, which is a positive thing for any country. If you read that as "dissolution of Israel", are you presuming Israel won't survive without its tyrants?


Just the founder of CircleCI listing some uncomfortable facts such that you instinctively derive the best resolution to it.




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